How The Zest Was Won…Back!

20 Jul

Since receiving the ECHR knock-back, family and I have been swinging back and forth between feeling defeated and depressed and positively determined! The former emotions have far outweighed the latter, I have to confess. Never mind a river, I think we have cried an ocean of tears between the four of us!

Each time we read back through the various Courts’ decisions, we find another anomaly that just should not be there. There are a couple of good examples to follow –

In the Riom Cour d’Appel judgement:

The justices declared that we had not submitted any written evidence of our need for sole use of the garage in order for a disabled persons’ lift to be installed. Monsieur C had stated (in his Attestation to the Appeal Court) that the garage was “mon garage” and he had sole use of it in accordance with his rental contract with our sellers. The justices also declared that the Plannings, produced by our architect, Monsieur G, were signed and dated July 2007, ie ‘far too late for the notaire, the sellers and the Immo to consider before completion of the sale/purchase processes’.

I’ll break that down and clarify a few points.

The justices declared that they “recognised the sellers’ fraud”. Right, then, that’s clear enough.

The justices did not acknowledge that we had not even been aware of Monsieur C and his rental contract, pre-purchase, even though Monsieur C confirmed the facts in his Attestation to the Appeal Court and the justices declared that they accepted those facts!

The justices made no mention of the original Plannings that include detailed drawings of the disabled persons’ lift – all copies hand-delivered to the notaire (by the architect), to the Immo (by us) and to the sellers (by the Immo) – signed and dated 2nd April 2007, not July 2007, ie before we even signed the Compromis de Vente!  

The justices made no mention of the copy medical documents and the EU Blue Disabled badge submitted by us as evidence!

Doesn’t it pong just a little?  

Our first avocat requested copies of all documents relevant to the property purchase. He also required the original property Deeds for ‘the property returning processes to be administered swiftly after the Judgement’, he was adamant the justices’ decision would be in our favour.

Despite telephone calls and emails from us (in January, February and March 2013), our third avocat has still not returned our file to us, including the original property Deeds!

But, never mind, the current notaire’s assistant told us that is not an insurmountable problem. We’re not so sure.

The current notaire has called for copies of all Monsieur G’s Plannings documents, including the DDT, etc. She is not able to give Monsieur C his marching orders via expiry of tenancy lease, but, she can and will send him packing when she writes to inform him that the entire property is being returned to single home status!

Wow! We didn’t know that could be done! But, obviously, our first notaire would have known it could be done in 2007!

The current notaire will apparently be handling it personally and she will be sending the legally binding formal Notifications via the people who originally placed Monsieur C in the property, the Social Services. The latter agency apparently has a duty of care to re-home Monsieur C. The notaire is a Government Agent of ‘she who must be obeyed’ status!

In the meantime, the current notaire and the European Ombudsman are in total agreement – we must now direct three separate complaints, in writing, to the ‘overseeing bodies’ for notaires, avocats and Immobiliers. The grounds, in each case, are incompetence and unprofessional conduct, we have been strongly advised to demand compensation. We have also been provided with the relevant names and addresses of the overseeing bodies.

So, that’s my job for tomorrow. No peace for the wicked!

More to come – a warning for the folks who rent out their properties in Saujon (in the Charente-Maritime) and in Poitiers (in the Poitou-Charente)! It appears that Monsieur C will probably be moving to a rental property near one of you! Er…forewarned is forearmed if you have an empty rental property at this moment! He has already checked out Saujon and he likes what he saw; he will be conducting a recce in Poitiers at some point during August!

Wink! Just thought I would let you know!

It’s now looking possible that our current notaire will not need to give Monsieur C the Order of The Boot! Although Monsieur C was seemingly quite determined to remain in our pile for eternity, when we first arrived on Sunday 7 July, he appeared to have changed his mind by Tuesday 16 July!

But, we’re not leaving anything to chance or trust – we feel that taking a chance on the locataire doing as he says he will do would be a fool’s game, and we don’t trust him as far as we can spit as individuals! We still do not have a copy of Monsieur C’s rental contract. ‘Owzat?

Also to come – how Tom and I met up with (after a number of aborted attempts!) delightful Tottie Limejuice (of the brilliant “Sell the Pig” book fame, here’s a link, Control+click to access)

in company with her lovely friend, Gill (or Jill, I didn’t ask, d’oh!), in the panoramic, awesome Cantal volcanoes country! Oh boy, you have to drive over (using the bridges, of course!) and around those sheer precipices and spectacular craters to fully appreciate the beauty – and the fear!


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12 responses to “How The Zest Was Won…Back!

  1. Tottie Limejuice

    July 20, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Absolutely lovely finally to meet you and Tom. Jill enjoyed the meeting enormously too. Looking forward to the next one!

    Tots x

    • hobosinfrance

      July 21, 2013 at 9:27 pm

      🙂 Fully reciprocated comment, Tots! Hopefully, you won’t be sporting an Eden ‘dome’ next month! 😉 xx

  2. Perpetua

    July 20, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    I just don’t believe it! You could have legally evicted Monsieur C back at the beginning as you were turning the house back into a single property? You first notaire should be struck off! Everything crossed that the brilliant-sounding current notaire can do the trick.

    • hobosinfrance

      July 21, 2013 at 9:47 pm

      Yes, all the necessary Plannings had been confirmed by our architect, Gabriel, on 2 April 2007 – before we even signed the Compromis! It was known by all, ie sellers, notaire and Immo, that we would not proceed with the purchase if the house could not be reverted to a family house and have the all-important lift installed in the garage. In addition to the notaire’s ineptitude, our first avocat submitted the wrong Plannings document to the first tribunal – instead of the 2 April Plannings, he submitted the July Plannings, ie the revised edition that included the additional electrical installations data. The justices obviously thought the July document was the original, they clearly had not been informed about the 2 April document and the provisos that were put in place. The draft letters to the overseeing bodies make awful reading – three so-called professionals creating heartbreaking havoc! C xx

  3. Alex Potter

    July 21, 2013 at 12:41 am

    SWMBO! Excellent news, Chrissie. I hope you have the incompetents’ guts for garters!

    • hobosinfrance

      July 21, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      Lol! We’re going to give it a darned good try, Alex – there are no holds barred in my draft letters to the overseeing bodies, that’s for sure! Well, nothing ventured, nothing gained, we have nothing left to lose! Looking forward very much to meeting up with you and Tots right at the beginning of September. 🙂 C xx

  4. Tracey Vincent

    July 21, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “Doesn’t it pong just a little?”

    Nice use of the ‘understatement’ there Chrissie! Yes, the current Notaire certainly seems to be on the ball. Sounds like if anyone can get Monsieur C out it is going to be her.

    • hobosinfrance

      July 21, 2013 at 10:03 pm

      😀 I have often found, during the past six years, that understating keeps the menfolk and me sane, Tracey! Chuckle! The current notaire and her assistant seem to be a match made for us in Heaven! The assistant is a notary in his own right, he not only researches legal aspects for the notaire, he also acts as her real estate agent. He asked us the name of the Immo who had pointed us in the direction of the ‘pile’. When we named Monsieur F, the notaire’s assistant shook his head and said, “That does not surprise me, he is very good at selling, but he’s also very unprofessional.” So, it’s possible that our complaint to FNAIM about the Immo might not be the first complaint about him! C xx

  5. kayeperryKay

    July 21, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Hallelujah someone who knows their “codes civils” about flippin time too! I hope Mr C is a distant memory for you all very soon. Fingers crossed it wont take too long xxx

    • hobosinfrance

      July 21, 2013 at 10:07 pm

      ROFL! Those rotten Civil Codes have been the bane of all our lives, Kay, haven’t they! We’re getting there, dear friend, slowly – but, sometimes, slowly brings the most thorough and satisfying results! 😉 C xx

  6. Pip

    July 24, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    The sun is shining, a small thunderstorm last night has laid the dust of the last three weeks of our holiday. The forecast ahead is good, son and pregnant wife are with us and celebrating their first anniversary on Sunday and we are dining with friends tonight. So what could possibly make my life happier than it already is?
    Well, those thieving, conniving, lying, devious little illegitimates getting their just rewards would be quite nice. And for once it looks like justice might be heading in the right direction.
    Thank you, Chrissie and family, for adding another touch of perfection to my week. May the good stuff continue right through to the correct conclusion.
    But I won’t uncross the fingers just yet – just for safety’s sake!!

    • hobosinfrance

      August 15, 2013 at 5:08 pm

      I’m just playing catch-up, Pip – and, it’s great to know you and Kim have enjoyed excellent quality time with your son and d-i-L before the little one arrives and changes all your lives forever, lol! And, the sun continues to shine! 🙂 C and menfolk xxxx


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